![]() The Americans started to play with the idea, but it didn't produce a cartridge until after WWII- the 7.62X51. I don't have access to what the Brits did, but the French developed the 7.5X54 for their new MAS 36 about 7 years after the 300 Savage. 300 Savage is a civillian attempt to adapt and improve.ġ) It was supposed to be an improvement on the 303 Savage's performance in the same way 30-03 improved on the 30-40 Krag using existing components where possible.Ģ) It used the new powders developed after 1900.ģ) It produced 2600 fps with a pointy 150 grain bullet which put it into the same ballpark as military rounds like the 30-06 (close, but not quite).Ĥ) It could do all this in an existing lever action package that did not require a lot of redesign.įrance and Britain both looked at this development. The powder chemists had also been working on the problem. By war's end, everyone had seen what the 30-06 could do, as well as all the other chamberings. The 30-06, with a smaller pointer bullet fixed all that, but they kept using the same DuPont powder. Launching a 220 grain round-nosed bullet cause all kind of problems. DuPont delivered a powder that could do that, and thus the 30-03 was born.Īlmost from the start, they saw the problem. The wonks wanted something that would shoot the same 220 grain bullet as the Krag, only farther. They also had in mind a different performance envelope. They could copy it, but they couldn't quite copy the powder. ![]() This started the search for what became the 30-03. They tried in 1899 to bump up the Krag's performance, but the Krag couldn't cut it. ![]() The Battle of San Juan Hill convinced everyone that the 30-40 Krag wasn't cutting it. This is the watershed that caused all this. You had the Spanish American War ending in mid 1898. And again, I put this question up as a simple topic of discussion and not as an argument or a contest in spelling. And yes, velocities could be taken at the muzzle and 78-feet to satisfy the concerns of all. Obviously this experiment would not exactly replicate the performance of the original rounds but I think it would suffice good enough to draw reasonable conclusions. If I was actively reloading and going to the range at the moment I would find modern powders that came close to the originals and load up some 150-grain pills in both and go see what happens. Anyone know what powders were used in their early configurations? Seems to me deerstalker said 3031 comes close to the burn rate of the early 06 round. After going through this exercise I'm inclined to think that Savage may have been closer to it's claim than history gives it credit. So to get this train back on the tracks the question asked really focused on the difference, if any, between the 06 and 300 at the time the latter was introduced. However, it gives you some flavor of the esteem 300 Savage was held in those days. There was no description of the condition of his shorts. He emptied the mag into the beast and managed to bring him down. ![]() The bear charged, and the guy was taken by surprise. Yikes! The first thing they ran into was a polar bear. They were using 300 Savage in Savage 99's. Two guys went way up to hunt whatever they could. I remember reading an old magazine reprint that was one of the first bookable arctic hunts in the 20's. 357 Mag is NOT like 30-30 WIN, but some folks claim it shoots just like one. 7.62X39 is NOT just like a 30-30 WIN, but it's kinda/sorta in the same ballpark. Believe me, that metal butt plate feels a lot better when you're not shooting full-house 308 WIN loads.ģ00 Savage was a lot closer to 30-06 performance in the 20's than some of the modern comparisons. My Savage 99 in 308 WIN is knocked back a bit it's shooting 165 grainers at 2600+. I have a MAS 36 for deer hunting under the worst conditions- it is what you think of when some says "beater." It's a 150 grain/ 2700fps-ish rifle. The idea was to get most of the performance of a 30-06 into a smaller case.Īlso, if my memory serves, you couldn't get a powder to function at those levels in the early 1900's, but you could by 1920. Savage went down the same road with 300 Savage. The Frogs were busy with their MAS 36 7.62X54. If my memory serves, there was a bunch of work done after ww1 that culminated in the 7.62X51 (308 WIN).
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